Peter Todd @pete@petertodd.org

@verretor What exactly did you use?

@captainmorgan @eatoutfrom5lbs bitcoinersagainst.boats is the best domain ever.

@joshirio@bitcoinhackers.org @harblinger @jk3r Because if they screw up the liability is effectively infinite.

Honestly I'm not surprised that governments did that. Some things are just too risky for established private sector companies to take on. You'd never be able to justify the risk to the rest of the business, even if the probability of negative events happening is low.

@Seccour One possible effect would just be psychological: people get covid after getting vaccinated, because protection isn't 100%, and are in denial about their symptoms!

@Seccour Thing is, if they were limited in the number of tests they can do, you wouldn't expect a rise except by an increase in people with symptoms, or perhaps, a big change in who is getting tested.

Supposing the vax is making things worse, either the media isn't making a big deal about people getting covid symptoms after vax - which honestly would be appropriate, as protection is _not_ 100% - or some kind of effect is making people more likely to transmit it when they get it.

@Seccour I mean, if you're youngish and healthy, reality is you always should have had a sense of security. It's just not that deadly to most demographics.

@Seccour So are those tests not getting reported in testing stats? In most countries reporting all tests done has been made mandatory at the lab level to get good stats. Though if they're using rapid tests that may not get reported.

Deaths have been going up too in UAE. But not as dramatically as cases, so your theory of workplace testing may be correct. OTOH, depends a lot on who is getting vaxed. 🤷‍♂️

@lucash_dev UAE specifically was also using the Chinese vaccine prior to Pfizer, so possibly there is some interaction with people getting both.

Not something I can determine - the medical experts will have to look into this in detail. Hopefully they do...

@lucash_dev I mean, if the trial data is correct, it reduces symptoms, and we're pretty sure now that asymptomatic transmission is much less likely than symptomatic spread. So on that basis it's a good bet that it prevents transmission.

Problem is, if ADE is happening, it may not prevent severe illness and death. :/ The trial just didn't get enough data to really know what it did for severe cases.

@maxmustermann You know, I should have linked to the archive.org copy to avoid giving them clicks...

Of course, one possibility is people are getting COVID-19 by standing in line at vaccination clinics. 😂

Curious... So the United Arab Emirates started vaccinating with the Pfizer vax on Dec 23rd¹. They're now at 2nd place w/ 16% vaxed. COVID-19 cases had been flat. But five days later they started skyrocketing _without_ a corresponding increase in testing.

Israel is also rising very fast, despite 25% getting their first dose. Though unlike UAE, cases started rising pre-vax.

Antibody dependent enhancement wasn't ruled out in the trials... hopefully not what's going on.

1) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-emirates/dubai-to-begin-inoculations-with-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-from-wednesday-idUSKBN28X0E9

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-large-bitcoin-payments-to-rightwing-activists-a-month-before-capitol-riot-linked-to-foreign-account-181954668.html

"Exclusive: Large bitcoin payments to right-wing activists a month before Capitol riot linked to foreign account"

They'll be coming for us.

@harblinger @jk3r Yup. Lots of unknown unknowns, and genuine concerns from medical experts: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/01/11/rna-vaccines-and-their-lipids#comment-336216

@dsmatthews@mastodon.online If that turns out to be true, all this handwashing and surface cleaning may have been downright harmful. :/