youtube.com/watch?v=8A7MMN7Gzw

There's a _lot_ of conservative-ish Texas YouTuber's doing vids about their self-sufficient solar and generator setups... I don't think the left-wing environmentalists really thought this through. They're accidentally promoting self-sufficiency, which is both unobtainable if you're lower income, and quickly teaches you about the pragmatic realities of power production.

Are there any examples of genuinely self-sufficient off-the-grid/homested _vegan_ YouTubers out there?

It's easy to be self-sufficient with animals. But actually getting enough protein and other nutrients without modern tech is impossible without animals in many ecosystems.

Like solar and generators, this feels like a schism between reality and the modern left.

@pete good question. i bet it’s possible if you can grow certain superfoods like goji berries.

@pox Sure. But hence my "most ecosystems". Looks like growing goji berries in north america is hard.

Raising chickens on the other hand is relatively easy - I personally know quite a few people who do it.

Animals also make small scale food production easier to do for many other reasons, like pest control, fertilizer, etc.

youtube.com/watch?v=CevA8vjCOb

@pete not to mention is way harder to eat healthily without animal products. nearly impossible to do so self-sufficiently. but with farm animals you could eat a perfectly healthy diet that's compatible with a long healthspan and avoid metabolic diseases.

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@pox ...and even harder again when you have food preservation/winter to think about too.

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