Pretty lol how low-density "red" states with much harder distribution challenges like West Virginia, Alaska, and the Dakotas are the ones doing best at actually vaccinating people. While high-density "blue" states like New York and California are way behind, even though they have every advantage. California is in 5th last place!
It's almost like red states are actually trying to solve a problem rather than milk covid forever for political gains...
@pete I'm surprised so many people are eager to get the vaccine when they can just recover without any issues or potential side affects from a vaccine. They normalized the chickenpox vaccine that actually can wear off and be more dangerous than the actual chicken pox so... I guess it shouldn't be too surprising...
@Zachary_BTC See, part of the reason why so many red states are doing better is probably *best* they've been prioritizing the elderly/at-risk for while the vaccine makes the most sense. Seniors can easily get it in Florida; in New York essential workers who are refusing it in high numbers are still prioritized.
Right, the vaccine is to protect people at risk, not the entire population.
The issue I have with vaccines is that we give them to little kids when there is usually no risk of them catching whatever disease it is one is trying to vaccinate for or they can easily recover 99.9% of the time.
They're injecting gmo'd viruses into us though....
@Zachary_BTC Depends on the vaccine. Measles is pretty deadly, and the vax has a good track record re: safety. Meanwhile, vaccinating covid has so little impact on kids that even traditional, well-tested, very safe, vaccines could be more dangerous than covid itself. The new mRNA stuff could easily be a lot more dangerous than covid for kids. We won't know for awhile...
@pete Actually I don't think measles is actually that bad. All the people who died form it here in the US were already vaccinated so that might have made it worse for them and actually cause the deaths. Also, there are gmo's in that vax. Human byproducts/proteins.
@Zachary_BTC Do you have a source for that?
Historically, deaths due to measles very clearly dropped dramatically in the years following the introduction of vaccination. they were already declining due to better medical treatment. But the vax was very dramatic, and we've never had anywhere near as much measles as before that.
Just what my grandparents have told me about everyone getting it and other diseases and how they werent actually a big deal. The kids who got it at Disneyland all had been vaccinated according to the article I read. My parents also didn't vaccinate any of their children and we haven't had any issues. My mom was a nurse and knew the medical industry wasn't to be trusted way back in the 70's/80's.
@Zachary_BTC Well, one example of kids getting measles without a vax is just that, one example. Vaccines are never 100% effective anyway. Measles vaccines are repoted to be 93% effective after one dose, 97% after two. And easy for that to be less in rare cases, eg against a particularly effective exposure/variant/etc.
Live measles vaccines are interesting in that they are also partially protective against other diseases. The difference is measurable in overall mortality.
@Zachary_BTC Remember that a live attenuated measles vaccine *is* measles! Kids certainly do need to get infected with things or the immune system doesn't develop properly. The vax in that case is just a way of getting that infection with less risk - prior to the measles vax essentially everyone would get measles at some point in their life, with roughly 0.1% dying from it.
@Zachary_BTC s/best/that/