@orionwl @cbaines Heh, I hate having to fiddle with windows sizes; awesomevm all the way. Works fine with qubes too: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/awesome/

@pete @cbaines
i agree, i only use two window layouts in practice: full screen, and two windows side by side
(this is trivial enough to be easy with GNOME key shortcuts as well 😀 )

another thing that made me switch is that awesomewm doesn't work with wayland

@orionwl @cbaines heh, that's a good point! I use more than that, because I often have logs running, and I really like being able to flip which window has focus. But it should be doable to add the key functionality of tiling window managers to gnome with sufficiently clever shortcuts...

Heck, how hard could it be to give gnome workspaces a preferred window layout option? AwesomeWM already does that basically.

@pete @orionwl @cbaines It's possible to give Gnome tiling functionality with https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/28/gtile/

Not sure about the fixed layout thing, it might also do that well enough for your needs.

@kekcoin @pete @orionwl @cbaines Is KDE still a thing? I don't think it recovered from KDE4.

@verretor @kekcoin @pete @cbaines
yes KDE is still a thing (haven't used it for >10 years though so no idea what it's like now)

@orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines https://twitter.com/verretor/status/925276173973811200

@verretor KDE Plasma is really solid and one of the lightest desktop environments now. I'm on that or dwm depending on the box.
@orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines

@livestradamus @orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines That's what people told me in 2017 and it sucked.

@verretor tbf that's 3 yrs ago. Both gnome 3 and KDE Plasma 5 weren't as stable as today. You might be surprised.
@orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines

@livestradamus @orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines That's what people tell me every time.

@verretor OK. Forget I said anything then. 😒 @orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines

@verretor @livestradamus @orionwl @kekcoin @pete @cbaines take the minimalist tiling window manager pill (like i3wm)

@crunklord420 @kekcoin @livestradamus @pete @cbaines @orionwl

@verretor @kekcoin @livestradamus @pete @cbaines @orionwl gotta rice it with your own color theme

@crunklord420 @verretor @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete nice Cataclysm DDA clone nerd

@crunklord420 @kekcoin @livestradamus @pete @cbaines @orionwl "FuckYourCult" hahahahahah.

@verretor @kekcoin @livestradamus @pete @cbaines @orionwl it was part of an idea that I stopped working to make a demoscene-thing synced up with this track called FUCK YOUR CVLT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgTcvrBBz1k

@crunklord420 @verretor @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete trap was a mistake zoomer music is disgusting

@nobit @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete @verretor it's phonk music, learn the difference (it's the 808 cowbells).

@crunklord420 @verretor @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete you mean dwm?

@knarkzel @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @pete @cbaines @orionwl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I3_(window_manager)

@verretor @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @pete @cbaines @orionwl i3 is bloat, dwm is forever

@knarkzel @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @pete @cbaines @orionwl I used dwm on my Raspberry Pi Zero. It couldn't handle much more than that.

@verretor @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @pete @cbaines @orionwl been using dwm for about 1.5 years, loving it

@knarkzel @verretor @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete I've been using i3wm for like 8 years and when I tried dwm I was like "this is almost the same but now I have to hack it to make it more like i3wm" so I stopped. All minimalist tiling managers are nearly identical.

@verretor @knarkzel @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @cbaines @orionwl I used to use xmonad on a truly terrible Thinkpad X120e. 1.6GHz AMD E-350 baby!

Cute though.

@pete @verretor @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @cbaines @orionwl xmonad is quite the window manager

@knarkzel @kekcoin @livestradamus @verretor @crunklord420 @cbaines @orionwl dwm is bloat, xmonad forever. 😂

@pete @kekcoin @livestradamus @verretor @crunklord420 @cbaines @orionwl this is false!!!!!

@knarkzel @kekcoin @livestradamus @crunklord420 @pete @cbaines @orionwl Ah yes. Haskell.

@knarkzel @crunklord420 @cbaines @kekcoin @livestradamus @orionwl @pete @verretor she (male) means YHVH

@verretor It is actually pretty decent, I installed on an extra laptop recently and I was really pleased, but my daughter's laptop crashed so I let her have it.

@richard Doubt. https://himk.am/@verretor/105566895040968359

@orionwl @pete @cbaines How's Gnome's multihead support nowadays? Annoying bugs and complete inflexibility on the part of Redhat devs to fix them (strict adherence to outdated standards, "it's as per design, so it *technically incorrect* to report this as a bug, so we will not engage in any sort of conversation about how to improve ux") kinda put me off Gnome.

@kekcoin @orionwl @pete @cbaines Use MATE, Cinnamon, or XFCE if you want a GTK+ environment like a normal fucking person. GNOME is far beyond help at this point in time.

@IbnTaymiyyah @pete @cbaines @orionwl Thing is I actually *like* a lot of their innovation with Gnome 3. It's the parts that are stuck in the past that are the problem for me, not the parts that are in the future.

@kekcoin @pete @cbaines @orionwl @Matatjahu

I just got fed up with GNOME 3 because it's so fucking unintuitive. I know there are tweaks that exist to get the UX to a somewhat usable state. At that point though, you might as well be using Cinnamon and have full GTK3 support, a good UX without much configuration on your part, and a team of developers that aren't *as* terminally exceptional.

Idk how good the compatibility with GTK3 is on MATE, but that's also significantly easier to work with if you're into the older GNOME2 way of doing things.

@IbnTaymiyyah @kekcoin @cbaines @orionwl @pete wow you speak lunix you must be so cool tell us about it we are in awe

@kekcoin @pete @cbaines
i've had no problems connecting multiple monitors, seems to just work, there's even a tweak whether you want to switch workspaces per monitor or regard them all as part of the workspace

@orionwl @pete @cbaines How about the top bar? I seem to recall it not working as expected on the non-primary monitor.

@kekcoin @pete @cbaines
here the topbar only appears on the primary monitor (i don't remember if that's default or result of a tweak)

@orionwl @pete @cbaines Ah yeah, that's the thing I had trouble with... Tried using some extensions to provide the top bar on the non-primary monitor but they all didn't work quite right.