https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7MMN7Gzw4

There's a _lot_ of conservative-ish Texas YouTuber's doing vids about their self-sufficient solar and generator setups... I don't think the left-wing environmentalists really thought this through. They're accidentally promoting self-sufficiency, which is both unobtainable if you're lower income, and quickly teaches you about the pragmatic realities of power production.

Are there any examples of genuinely self-sufficient off-the-grid/homested _vegan_ YouTubers out there?

It's easy to be self-sufficient with animals. But actually getting enough protein and other nutrients without modern tech is impossible without animals in many ecosystems.

Like solar and generators, this feels like a schism between reality and the modern left.

@pete good question. i bet it’s possible if you can grow certain superfoods like goji berries.

@pox Sure. But hence my "most ecosystems". Looks like growing goji berries in north america is hard.

Raising chickens on the other hand is relatively easy - I personally know quite a few people who do it.

Animals also make small scale food production easier to do for many other reasons, like pest control, fertilizer, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CevA8vjCOb0

@pete @pox
I think it depends on the actual reason of living vegan.

Are you trying to protect animals? If you have your own chickens/cows, this argument is not valid because you won't kill the male chickens/cows (as it happens on commercial farms) for eggs/milk.

Do you think animal fats & proteins are unhealthy? Have fun starving (at least in non tropical climate zones).

But I think any sane person would rather switch to a non vegan diary instead of starving - if it's not too late.

@pete @pox
Maybe my first reason doesn't make sense but there are some people who claim to be vegan but eat eggs because they have their own chickens. Of course, this claim is not entirely true.