https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A7MMN7Gzw4
There's a _lot_ of conservative-ish Texas YouTuber's doing vids about their self-sufficient solar and generator setups... I don't think the left-wing environmentalists really thought this through. They're accidentally promoting self-sufficiency, which is both unobtainable if you're lower income, and quickly teaches you about the pragmatic realities of power production.
Are there any examples of genuinely self-sufficient off-the-grid/homested _vegan_ YouTubers out there?
It's easy to be self-sufficient with animals. But actually getting enough protein and other nutrients without modern tech is impossible without animals in many ecosystems.
Like solar and generators, this feels like a schism between reality and the modern left.
@pete The only way to not get enough protein is to not get enough calories. To get enough self sufficient plant based calories, you need fruit and nut trees, you can store nuts, grow and store grains, dehydration and canning also helps. I personally am ok with being dependent on others, much simpler.
All protein comes from plants, animals either get their amino acids directly from plants or from animals that somewhere along the chain got originally from plants.
@richard Vitamin B-12 simply isn't present in plants, with just a handful of exceptions, and those exceptions can't be relied on: https://www.eatrightpro.org/~/media/eatrightpro%20files/practice/position%20and%20practice%20papers/position%20papers/vegetarian-diet.ashx
The only realistic way to get adequate B-12 is naturally from animals, or artificially from a modern lab. That alone makes keeping animals mandatory to be self-sufficient almost everywhere.
Fruit and nut trees are a long-term investment at best, and can't be grown in tons of places. Not to mention, fruit has very little protein.
@pete b12 maybe, but what are our actual needs? If you are not aneimic you get enough produced by gut bacteria regardless of what the government charts say. And again the only way to be protein deficient is to be calorie deficient but the real prblem with fruit is it is seasonal and needs supplumented with storables. Protein is over hyped and orders of magnitude more people suffer from excess than lack. Land usability/b12 may be valid pro meat arguments but protein is definitely not.
@richard "If you are not aneimic you get enough produced by gut bacteria regardless of what the government charts say."
Source?
@pete not gov charts, they need a source claiming a problem when none exists. To say one is deficient based on random numbers is meaningless, deficiency causes disease, if no disease, no deficiency. Of course I am a self proclaimed science denier especially with all the covid science, but even before, with thousands of years of medical science we are sicker than ever. I am 60 and in better health than 90+% of those in their 30s and I do it half assed, 33 years meat/b12less.
@richard Growing grains simply isn't feasible in a lot of ecosystems. Ruminants like cattle meanwhile can eat grass that can grow in ecosystems that otherwise wouldn't be able to produce food for us.
Yes, those amino acids may come from plants. But that's irrelevant when you can't digest it; livestock can.