At just 20% refusal cops are actually much *more* likely to take the vaccine than nurses:
"An American Nurses Association survey of 13,000 registered nurses showed 34% said they would take a COVID-19 vaccine, with 36% saying they would not and the rest saying they weren’t sure."
That's more rational than you might expect: a significant % of them have probably been infected already at work, and the vaccines haven't been safety tested in people who were already infected.
@pete I wish cops were more likely to deny vaccination. Then, if they are ever called upon to enforce mandatory vaccinations, they would be less likely to comply IMO.
@Jeremiah23 I wonder how many cops who would refuse vaccination, would actually refuse to enforce mandatory vaccination? Might be the correlation you'd hope for.
Conversely, I'd hope many cops who accepted vaccination, would refuse to enforce mandatory vaccination...
@pete you think there's a shot that mand vax comes to the US? And if so, what form? Direct and state-sponsored vs coercion via corporate entrances, other?
@Jeremiah23 At this point, hell yes we could see that. If not government mandated, mandated in practice with vaccination passports.
But there is a good chance that the very high rates of side effects we're seeing keeps vaccination voluntary. Probably 100x the anaphalactic shock risk as typical flu vaccinations, over both shots, among other problems.
Could go the other way though: the high rates of refusal - for good reasons - push govts to just mandate it.
@pete scary stuff. Do you know if the feds can override state exemptions as things currently stand?
@Jeremiah23 Honestly, at this point who knows how effective the laws will even be? Would Biden actually respect that? It's an open question.
@pete good point. Time to stop assuming anything will "work" as outlined in this 4th turning.
@Jeremiah23 Things are so uncertain I would *not* rule out a military and/or police coup against Biden, just as I wouldn't against Trump now, and the Republican politicans in the future. Who knows what's going on behind the scenes?
@pete @Jeremiah23 well this is looking awfully like Venezuela in the 1999 when Chavez took power. I think there is a high possibility of armed conflicts from now till the 20th. The only difference i see is that USA is one of the few countries where people can have guns and ammo and this is the first thing that politicians (any politician) will try to crackdown on.
@RonaldCrb @Jeremiah23 No coincidence that Biden is saying he will defeat the NRA.
God help us.
@pete @Jeremiah23 you van bet your fat bitcoin stack that Biden will go after the NRA... like OP said in Shitter: "one more school shooting and we loose the 2A"... this is exactly what China wants to achieve and this is precisely what the 2A stands for "to defend against foreign and DOMESTIC enemies".
Even with many schools closed, I'm expecting an incident within his first term
@Jeremiah23 Sadly the best outcome for society would probably be that one of these vaccines turns out to be clearly dangerous, and the problem turns into a major disaster, localized in one country. :/
This _will_ happen again. And it's just a medical fact that rushing into vaccinations is dangerous - we've literally never succeeded at it before without some kind of screwup.
@pete I'm not confident that the media will report a clearly dangerous vaccine if against state or state-sponsored interests😕 😣
@Jeremiah23 I'm not confident hospitals and doctors will report the raw data required to find that out either.
Sad really, because they're destroy the trust required for vaccination in general. And that's a very real destruction: without honest monitoring, we really can't know if vaccines are safe. And vaccines absolutely can be more dangerous than the diseases they prevent. That's what the testing and science is for! But subvert that, and...
@pete Either way, I hope we don't have to find out! 😨