...and all this risk for a vaccine that is proving to be nearly totally ineffective at preventing infection after just a few months: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

@pete Really, the only thing the vaccine is good at is to keep your vaccine passport valid.

@pete @drgo

Interesting pre-print about differences in the myocarditis among classical myocarditis (pre-2020), vaccine-induced, and Covid-caused.

It looks like both Covid and vaccines cause myocarditis considerably less severe than the classical presentation.

That makes sense if it’s caused by the spike protein.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.05.21264581v1

@pete @drgo perhaps that’s what they’re talking about when they say “mild”

@lucash_dev @drgo The big open question will be whether or not there are long term effects. I wonder if anyone has actually done biopsies and the like for people who have recovered? Obviously sampling heart tissue is pretty invasive...

@pete @drgo probably they would only do that post mortem if they were able to diagnose less invasively.

Not sure what it would add if there’s normal ECG, MRI, and blood work over a number of months though.

I think the main thing missing is time.

@lucash_dev @drgo A big question is if the spike protein is actually going away quickly like it should, or is being produced for a longer period. Eg unfortunately RNA _can_ be reverse transcribed back into DNA in some circumstances, so that's at least one potential long term harm. Studying the affected tissues could help better understand what's actually happening.

@pete @drgo if that happens, I think it’s unlikely it would happen to a large number of cells at once, esp far from the injection point.

If the DNA travelled around enough to reach the heart I would guess it would be easy to find in other places too.

Perhaps a biopsy of the deltoid muscle (far less invasive) could show it too.

@lucash_dev @drgo One factor here may be that classical myocarditis happens to people who have something more seriously wrong with them.